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Gonna post about these two like they were one episode, because they pretty much were.

I loved IKWYDLS, for the most part, but Heaven & Hell... I don't know, it seemed like it should have been more epic somehow. The Great Showdown between the angels and demons was a bit of a disappointment (seriously, 2 or 3 of each? I thought Anna was IMPORTANT), but I guess that was more of a budgetary issue that couldn't be helped. And the grace thing was kinda stupid. All in all, though, it was a pretty important 2-parter, and there were moments of awesomeness in each episode. But let's take this character by character...


Anna - At first I liked her way better crazy, since her "I'm an angel" reveal was a bit cheesy, but I came to like her as an angel, too. The Dean/Anna sex scene was reeeeeeeally bad, and I kind of hated the rest of their scenes together, too, but I put that down to Kripke needing to stay away from romantic storylines in his episodes. ;)

I've always wanted more of a backstory on her, though. It's a shame she got so few episodes.

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Sam - Awesome to see him hussling pool! Hahaha. And abandoning the game and losing their money the second he saw Ruby. Yep, he was tied around her little finger.

It was a bit of a low blow for him to tell Dean to go first describing Hell, but I get why he didn't want to tell Dean about what had happened between him and Ruby. Even when he finally "came clean," I notice he focused on the sex, which is something Dean would understand (while being totally grossed out by it at the same time), and the whole demon-pulling thing, which Dean had already seen, and completely left out the part about the blood-drinking. And now we're left to wonder WHEN the blood-drinking started. Was it Ruby's first step with him? "Just drink a little more demon blood, and it'll wake up those dormant powers of yours"? Or did she wait a while, give him a taste of pulling demons on his own first, then tell him it would be a whole lot easier if he'd just touch up the demon blood inside him? I really wish they'd told us. But what we do know is that Sam's first successful pull was to save Ruby, who he really seemed to be developing affection for. I always wonder if that whole "Lilith's in town" farce was cooked up just to make that happen. Sam always rises to the occasion when it's made personal, when there's an emotional attachment there. I bet they were playing on that.

I loved the scene where he and Ruby were doing the research by themselves. They seemed so comfortable as a team, it just made me wonder if that's what those months without Dean had looked like. Until, of course, he refused to drink more demon blood. That had probably never happened before. He looked so tempted, but he knew it was wrong and disgusting and perverse even while part of him believed it was the only way. Oh Sam. :(

I LOVE the crossroads scene. I believe at the time I wanted to marry it. Sam was SO SERIOUS about wanting to trade places with Dean. I loved seeing that so much! And watching it now is even better - so much foreshadow! Dean was in Hell, right where they wanted him to be. Sam was alive and desperate, right where they wanted him to be. And when he got home, Ruby would be waiting for him ready to sink her hooks in once and for all. So perfect! And you know, I always wonder if they sent a male CRD that time just to rub it in that Sam wouldn't be kissing anybody today. ;)

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Ruby - Ever notice that Ruby's second host (the secretary) looked just like the first? I always wonder if that's how Ruby looked when she was alive. A leggy blonde, you know? Or maybe it was a purposeful Jess reminder? I always think Ruby was secretly uncomfortable in a petite brunette, but I think her smallness helped with the whole make-Sam-think-I'm-subservient thing.

Anyway... I honestly believe that Ruby felt something for Sam. Worshipped him, certainly, and wanted him to have the "rewards" she believed Lucifer would give him, and for her to be his right-hand demon when he became Demon King, so to speak. And Sam felt some kind of perverse attraction to her because of the demon blood, so she played on that. Sam's the kind of guy who falls in love, not lust, and she took that and twisted it to her own purpose. I mean, by Sex & Violence Sam's having random flings that mean nothing to him, and that's SO not the pre-season-4 Sam we knew and loved. She found as many ways as possible to worm her way into his affection - sex, comfort, sympathy, saving his life, and as Sam said himself, the things she said to him were things Dean would have said. Then once she had his attention she'd twist it around, and make him feel like getting any of the above from a "normal" human was second-best.

I love the scene where she's watching him as he sleeps, and then without saying a word just leaves to go sacrifice herself to Alastair's torture. I mean, this turns out to be Sam's idea to offer her up so she can lead the demons back to their hiding place, yet the dude then falls asleep as though he doesn't care that she's risking her life TO SAVE AN ANGEL. But that's just how devoted Ruby is to her mission and to Sam. I thought that lingering look she gave him before she left spoke volumes. She was alone in that room with Sam, and he was fast asleep, so there was no need for her to hide her true feelings. And the feelings we saw were affection and devotion. It's so totally messed up, I love it. ;)

I always wonder if Ruby knew the deal with Anna before she took the case to the Winchesters. Was it part of the Grand Plan, or did she really feel it was a mistake to get them involved? It seemed like she was just as surprised as they were to find out that she was an angel.

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Dean - I love that he genuinely wanted to know what was going on between Sam and Ruby, and he actually sat and listened through the whole story. Well, he interrupted the sex scene, which was awesome, LOL. I loved his reaction there. ;)

And after Sam told him everything, he really tried to trust Sam's instincts about her. His awkward thanks for saving Sam's life, then helping her up after Uriel attacked her, and thanking her again (in as many words this time) for the hex bags. He really did try, but he still knew something wasn't right.

Meeting Alastair again... gah, poor Dean. If he was barely holding it together before, he REALLY started to unravel after that.

I found it really interesting that he seemed jealous of angels and their lack of emotions. He tries so hard to pretend he's not an emotional guy, but he IS, and at this point he just wants it to stop. And I notice it wasn't until Anna told him that she knew about what he'd done, that he should forgive himself, and that there were people in his life who would help him through it, that he finally did open up to Sam about it. It's like even though the angels were doing despicable things, he still listened to them and wanted to have what they had. I swear, if they'd told him about the Michael thing at this point, he probably would have said yes.

Uriel's comment that "you can be replaced" was... true! Dean COULD be replaced. It was only Sam who couldn't. Just add more fuel to the low-self-esteem fire there, Uriel. Thanks a lot. *sporks him*

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Castiel - I really wish we'd found out what "history" he and Anna had. He seemed to have genuine affection for her, yet anger and bitterness at the same time. I looooove those two together. She brought out so much angst and guilt in Cas, and I was dying to find out WHY. And they never told us. *sigh*

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Pamela - Love her! And her obsession with Sam's butt, LOL. And still calling him Grumpy, aww. I love that she could still sense what was around her and didn't seem handicapped by her blindness at all. But she hated angels with a passion, and I love that we saw her attitude towards Anna change after the big reveal.

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Clippage - Final scene of Heaven & Hell. One of the most heartbreaking moments in SPN history.


Randomness -
*The way Sam and Dean hop up the Miltons' front steps in perfect unison gets me every time -

*Sam had a Magical Disappearing Wound in IKWYDLS. First we see him stitching himself up, then the next thing you know... nothing. No blood on his shirt, nada. Guess that magical cream is pretty fast-acting sometimes. ;)


Quotes -

Ruby: I'm hearing a few whispers.
Dean: Oh, great, demon whispers. That's reliable.

Sam: You're not pissed we're going after the girl, you're pissed Ruby threw us the tip.
Dean: Right. Because as far as you're concerned, the Hell bitch is practically family. I mean, boy, something major must have happened while I was downstairs, cause I come back and you're BFF with a demon?
Sam: I told you, Dean, she helped me go after Lilith.
Dean: Well, thanks for the thumbnail. Real vivid. You wanna fill in a little detail?
Sam: Sure, Dean, let's swap stories. You first, how was Hell? Don't spare the details.

Sam: COME ON!!! Where are you?!
CRD: I was wondering whether to come or not, I mean, you shot one of my co-workers. Don't take this the wrong way, Sam, but you don't look so hot, buddy. I guess burying your brother didn't agree with you.

Sam: I don't want 10 years, I don't want one year, I don't want candy... I want to trade places with Dean.
CRD: No.
Sam: Just TAKE ME!! It's a fair trade!
CRD: No!
Sam: Why not? Lilith wants me dead. Just let Dean go and she can have me.
CRD: Don't you understand, Sam? It's not about your soul. Dean's in Hell right where we want him, we've got everything exactly the way we want it. You wanna kill me? Go ahead. I've made peace with my lord.

Dean: That's a hell of a right hook, to knock out a guy that's got 80 pounds on her.

Doctor: It's not uncommon for our patients to believe that monsters are real.
Dean: Well, that's just batty.

Dean: That's Revelations.
Doctor: Since when does the book of Revelations have jack-o'-lanterns?
Dean: It's a, uh, it's a little-known translation.

Dean: Alright, so... I'm girl interrupted, and I know the score of the apocalypse, just busted out of the nutbox, possibly using superpowers, by the way... where do I go?

Anna: Sam? Not Sam Winchester.
Sam: Uh, yeah.
Anna: And you're Dean. THE Dean?
Dean: Well, yeah. THE Dean, I guess.
Sam: *rolls eyes*

Dean: So, they lock you up with a case of the crazies when really you're just tuning into angel radio?
Anna: Yes. Thank you!

Dean: You're 1-900-ANGEL.

Alastair: Don't you recognize me? Oh, I forgot. I'm wearing a pediatrician.

Dean: So you lost the magic knife, huh?
Sam: Yeah, saving your ass.

Sam: On three. One... *pops Dean's shoulder*

Ruby: You know what sounds good? French fries. I'm starving. I just escaped Hell, I deserve a treat.

Ruby: Who do I have to kill to get some French fries around here??

Ruby: Proof. This body is 100% socially conscious. I recycle. Al Gore would be proud.
Sam: You grabbed a coma patient?
Ruby: You didn't want me to take a body with someone in it, and I made sure that the spirit was gone. Apartment was empty. You happy?

Sam: You want me to use my psychic whatever?
Ruby: Look, I know that it spooks you...
Sam: Skip the speech. I'm ready. Let's go.
Ruby: Slow down there, cowboy.

Sam: Where do you get off slapping me with that greeting card, "time heals" crap? What the hell do you know?
Ruby: I used to be human. And I still remember what it feels like to lose someone.

Ruby: What's wrong?
Sam: What's wrong?! Where do I start?

Dean: Sam...
Sam: Yeah?
Dean: Too much information!
Sam: Hey, I told you I was coming clean.
Dean: Yeah, but now I feel dirty. Okay, well, uh, brain-stabbing imagery aside, so far all you've told me about is a manipulative bitch who, uh, screwed you, played mind games with you, and did everything in the book to get you to go bad.
Sam: Yeah, well, there's more to the story.
Dean: Just... skip the nudity, please.

Sam: Ruby came back for me. Whatever you have to say, she saved me. More than that, she got through to me. What she said to me... it's what you would have said. If it wasn't for her, I wouldn't be here.

Maid!Ruby: *hands Sam paper* I'm at this address.
Sam: I'm sorry, what?
Maid!Ruby: Go now. Go through the bathroom window. Don't stop, don't take your car, don't pass Go. There are demons in the hallway and in the parking lot.
Sam: Ruby?!
Maid!Ruby: Okay, yeah, so I'm possessing this maid for a hot minute. Sue me.
Sam: What about...
Maid!Ruby: Coma girl? Slowly rotting on the floor back at the cabin with Anna, so I've gotta hurry back. See you when you get there. Go!

Anna: Ruby's not like other demons. She saved my life.
Dean: Yeah, I hear she does that. *to Ruby* I guess, I uh... *clears throat* You know.
Ruby: What?
Dean: I guess I owe you... for Sam. I just wanted... *clears throat* You know?
Ruby: Don't strain yourself.
Dean: Okay then. Is the moment over? Good, 'cause that was awkward.

Ruby: Where's the knife?
Dean: Uh... about that.
Ruby: You're kidding!
Dean: Hey, don't look at me.
Sam: Thanks a lot!
Ruby: Great. Just peachy! Impeccable timing, guys, really!

Dean: Please tell me you're here to help. We've been having demon issues all day.
Uriel: I can see that. Want to explain why you have that STAIN in the room?

Dean: Whoa, whoa, whoa, okay, I know she's wire-tapping your angel chats or whatever, but it's no reason to gank her.
Uriel: Don't worry. I'll kill her gentle.
Dean: You're some heartless sons of bitches, you know that?
Castiel: As a matter of fact, we are. And?
Sam: And, Anna's an innocent girl!
Castiel: She is far from innocent.
Sam: What does that mean?
Uriel: It means she's worse than this abomination you've been screwing. Now give us the girl.
Dean: Sorry. Get yourself another one. Try J-Date.

Dean: Demons can't even touch the joint.
Ruby: Which I find racist, by the way.
Dean: Write your congressman.

Dean: How's the car?
Sam: Oh, I got her. She's fine. Where's Bobby?
Dean: Uh, the Dominican. He said if we break anything, we buy it.
Sam: Is he workin' a job?
Dean: I hope so, otherwise he's at Hedonism in a banana hammock and a trucker cap.
Sam: *winces* Oh, that seared my brain.

Sam: Dude, you're confusing reality with porn again.

Dean: Nice job watching her.
Ruby: I'm watchin' her!

Pamela: Sam, is that you?
Sam: I'm right here.
Pamela: Ohhh... know how I can tell? *grabs his butt* That perky little ass o' yours. You could bounce a nickle off that thing! *laughs* Of course I know it's you, Grumpy. Same way I know that's a demon, and... that poor girl's Anna. And that you've been eyeing my rack.
Sam: Uh, uh... I...
Pamela: *laughs* Don't sweat it, kiddo. I still got more senses than most.

Anna: Don't be afraid. I'm not like the others.
Ruby: I don't find that very reassuring.
Pamela: Neither do I.

Dean: So, what, were they like your bosses or something?
Anna: Try the other way around.
Dean: Look at you.

Dean: So you just forgot that you were God's little Power Ranger?

Ruby: I don't think you all appreciate how completely screwed we are.
Anna: Ruby's right. Heaven wants me dead.
Ruby: And Hell just... wants her. A flesh and blood angel that you can question, torture, that bleeds. Sister, you're the Stanley Cup.

Dean: So, what, you're just gonna take some divine bong hit and shazam, you're Roma Downey?
Anna: Something like that.
Dean: Alright. I like this plan.

Ruby: Pretty buff for a nerd.

Sam: We'll muddle through.
Ruby: Not this time. You do not want to get between these two armies. It's Godzilla and Mothra. If one side doesn't get us, the other one will.

Dean: An angel and a demon riding in the backseat. It's like the setup to a bad joke. Or a Penthouse forum letter.
Sam: Dude. Reality... porn.
Dean: You call this reality?

Dean: We still got the hex bags. I say we head back to the panic room.
Ruby: What, forever?
Dean: I'm just thinkin' out loud!
Ruby: Oh, you call that thinking.

Dean: Let's can the "thanks for trying" speech, you know? Participation trophies suck ass.

Ruby: Just came to talk.
Alastair: About what? About how a demon is protecting an angel? We really must revoke your membership.

Dean: I guess I just like being a pain in the blooper.

Uriel: You cut yourself a slice of angel food cake, didn't you?

Castiel: I'm sorry.
Anna: No. You're not. Not really. You don't know the feeling.
Castiel: Still, we have a history. It's just...
Anna: Orders are orders, I know. Just make it quick.

Alastair: Dean, Dean, Dean. I am so disappointed. You had such promise.

Sam: You okay?
Ruby: Not so much.
Dean: What took you so long to get here?
Ruby: Well, sorry I'm late with the demon delivery. I was only being tortured.

Sam: When you got Godzilla and Mothra on your ass, best to get out of their way and let 'em fight.
Dean: Now you're just braggin'.

Dean: Can't believe we made it out of there.
Sam: Again.

Date: 2010-08-05 12:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shipwrecking.livejournal.com
He had magical demon blood healing powers!

Date: 2010-08-05 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meg-tdj.livejournal.com
That must be it! I'm surprised Dean didn't notice and freak out about it.

Date: 2010-08-05 03:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] peach-megumi.livejournal.com
I love that the first thing Ruby says as new!Ruby is "Who do I have to kill to get some french fries around here?" - it's just awesome.

I definitely agree with you that, for all it is seriously messed up, there was actual devotion between Sam and Ruby on both sides. Ruby definitely sees herself as helping Sam to achieve his full potential, and putting him on top - then, becoming the queen to his king. Not to say she doesn't manipulate him every step of the way, but she is completely devoted. And Sam definitely trusts and loves her, even as he gets further and further into the messed up place Ruby is leading him to. They are both so very destructive to each other and themselves it's not even funny. It is really twisted, and they just do it so very well! I love that Dean tries to understand, especially because Ruby really did save Sam's life multiple times and give him support to carry on after Dean's death, even if her motives weren't quite as pure as Sam thinks. His attempts to thank her are just so awkward, and so very Dean. It's awesome.

Dean talking about Hell breaks my heart every time. He is just so understandably broken, and again - how are these two such good actors?? I'm not even sure what else to say about it, just... oh, Dean!

The Anna sex scene really squicks me out, too. I get that they were trying to hit you over the head with the differences between the boys at that point, but really - I don't think Dean had to have sex with an angel just because Sam sleeps with a demon. Awkward. They already had Cas v. Ruby to illustrate the difference in alliances. Although, thinking of Castiel - I am with you on wanting to know more of the backstory there. There are so many places throughout the series where the writers make references to things that have happened in the past, or to people they know, and it's awesome that the universe has so much depth and history - but I am insanely curious to know more!!

And: Pamela + Sam's butt = much laughter. :-) I also love the look Ruby gives her, haha.

Date: 2010-08-05 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meg-tdj.livejournal.com
LOL She's so obsessed with French fries!

Your thoughts on Sam/Ruby - EXACTLY. Guh, I love it so much.

how are these two such good actors??

I don't know!! That scene really needs to be watched twice each time, just so you can keep your eyes on Jensen through the whole thing, then keep your eyes on Jared through the whole thing. It's a waste if you miss a second of either's performance. Absolutely amazing.

I get that they were trying to hit you over the head with the differences between the boys at that point, but really - I don't think Dean had to have sex with an angel just because Sam sleeps with a demon. Awkward. They already had Cas v. Ruby to illustrate the difference in alliances.

Yes! The whole thing just reeked of "Sam's being all dirty and gross with a DEMON, but here's Dean having sweet and innocent sex with an ANGEL just to ram it in your face how different these guys are." Yeah, we already got the point, thanks. That scene was just AWKWARD. :P

There are so many places throughout the series where the writers make references to things that have happened in the past, or to people they know, and it's awesome that the universe has so much depth and history - but I am insanely curious to know more!!

That's true, and I haven't given up hope yet that they could still talk about Castiel and Anna's backstory. If they do, though, they'd better make it huge after making us wait so long. :P

I also love the look Ruby gives her, haha.

Oh maaaan, she was so glaring at her, hahahaha! "Hands off my man, lady." ;)

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